Eric Heinz
ENG 319
Dr. Allen
Draft 1
September 14, 2008
Word Count: 1,047
The Power of United Voices


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There’s one way of learning that has always appealed to me, in the class room: “Socratic seminars” or group discussion always embraces the practice of open-minded and tolerant argument. When all members of a group discussing certain issues, works or anything that may require an broad input it brings the topic at hand to a central focus dissected by individual thoughts. While this may, in theory, start a constricted, interdependent thought process of conformity (‘groupthink’ as it is known in communication studies) the continuation of different points of perspective (we’ll call them P.O.V for point of view) allows for better vision and new unfound ideas to be woven into the main objective – it is exactly the foundational thought process of democracy and fair representation.
Having the power, I would institute the Socratic process into every classroom; this would include science rooms, mathematics and the rest of the school’s curriculum. It is understood that the process would be difficult in some areas of study, but it may help in small doses. I know from being a journalism major and writing minor that group discussion and other ways of collaborative thought process, especially workshops, have helped me become a better writer through criticism and advice.
When a voice is dim, Socratic discussion raises it. Commonly over looked are the people who are unwilling or afraid to state their opinion and give their own materials to the process. My experiences in this kind of discussion have been always supportive and reasonable. Tension and uncomfortable feelings can arise during discussion, but when the group comes together it usually relieves those feelings from all members. “Socratic seminar teaches students to identify the component questions so they do not follow tangents or fail to address the question that is asked. (Coke, Pamela K.)”.
Teachers can also benefit from the seminar by give the autonomy to the classroom to lead the discussion as it goes and not under a predisposed curriculum. This enables the teacher to connect on the same wavelength as the student instead of pouring one train of thought into the student’s memory bank. “The training [Socratic seminar training] made me comfortable with giving up the authoritarian control of the classroom, becoming a facilitator of dialogue, and allowing the students to determine the context of the discussion around texts. In high school, my juniors would communicate honestly with each other and willingly explore issues with each other and ideas in depth unachieved before. They say they hear each other’s beliefs and opinions for the first time. They notice the new civility in the classroom: their willingness to talk, their willingness to listen, they honor everyone’s viewpoint without debating every idea (Quatroke, Rosanne et. al.)”.
At Denver East high school my teachers introduced me to the idea of Socratic seminars; the issues were always filled with the stock exchange of idea and thought over anything that would come in our minds at the time or day. My first seminar was with Mr. Hernandez, a middle aged and passionate history and psychology teacher, he would gave the classroom more than a sleepless night of thinking over the simple “atrocities” and “propagandizing” of the corporations sponsoring the Super Bowl commercials. Although his P.O.V. was typically farfetched, the discussions went far beyond the alleged debauchery of the CEO’s. The conversation would take rollercoaster rides up and down through contemporary issues of racism, sexism, target markets, politics and further.
The conversations from East high will always stay in my mind. Teenagers, coming from a variety of backgrounds, would give shocking and interesting testimonies to the open forum that enriched my sense of “what else” was going on in the world. Workshops built my writing to a better structure and depth, from peer revisions I could get the Lehman version of editing instead of piles of red chicken-scratch littered on the page. It was also helpful for building my voice before coming to college; I would practice answering different types of questions and understanding to open to other’s P.O.V. on my work – to appreciate the grind.
It is also a way to bridge people, with the freedom to speak up and be heard as an equal is a very powerful desire for basic, communicating people. Even for those new to the concept or new to public speaking, it can still spark interest and voice which makes the Socratic seminar method one of the most powerful methods conceived. The method was formed from Socrates (470 B.C.E-399 A.D) in his lessons of pedagogy. Pedagogy was the class of walking and speaking, Socrates understood that with having all members of a discussion combining each of their perspectives, the end would be an understanding of a dilemma. “If the human mind was incapable of knowing something, Socrates wanted to demonstrate that, too. Some dialogues, therefore, end inconclusively (William County, TN. Schools)”.
The prospect of adding the Socratic seminar in more classes would be ideal, giving students time to relax and let their brains get rid of all the thoughts packed inside from hours of textbook reading would solidify the information that we all try relentlessly to retain. Professors in the departments unfamiliar with the Socratic process may be unsure about it at first, but if they tried it on their classes and saw how much more it helped students understand the material perhaps we will see more Socratic criteria in the future. The idea of united voices is powerful ideation beyond what we can comprehend; no one knows exactly another’s experiences perfectly, let alone everyone’s, we only know our own and what shaped us. Therefore, the studies around Socratic study should be studied further to try to grasp how much this aged education aides the student’s need for constructive conversation. The style’s power is in its ability to be inclusive and nonjudgmental.


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Works Cited
Pamela K Coke (2008). “Uniting the Disparate: Connecting Best Practices and Educational Mandates”. English Journal, 97(5), 28-33. Retrieved September 15, 2008, from Research Library database. (Document ID: 1490353981).
Johnson et. al. “The English Journal”. Vol. 90, No. 5, The School and the Community (May, 2001), pp. 28-31. Retrieved Sept. 15, 2008.
Williamson County Schools Information website. Retrieved Sept. 15, 2008. 2008.http://www.wcs.edu/fhs/StaffDevelopment/socraticseminars.htm

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mjt42 on whole page :

i completely agree with this and i feel that it is easier and better structured to learn this way.

September 15, 2008 2:53 pm
Chelsea on whole page :

I agree with the point you make but I feel that you should make some sort of comments on at least one of the scholars that we have discussed in class.

September 17, 2008 11:19 am
Mattl on paragraph 2:

First this is well thoughout and well written and supported great work. I know this is a first draft but and edu blogs do something wrong with the formatting but, it looks like one paragraph that is problematic. I bring this up because I get a little lost in it especially near the beginning. I’m not sure but thought if you brought in some opposing opinion you might strengthen the work

September 17, 2008 11:47 am
Nicole on whole page :

I like how you used outside sources to support your point about learning, as well as the historical content about Socrates (especially given it was a main argument in your paper).

September 17, 2008 12:38 pm
Nicole on paragraph 3:

You did a lot of extra research and that shows dedication to the subject. Nicely done!

September 17, 2008 12:38 pm
Audra D. on paragraph 2:

I just wanted to point out a small typo, in your second setence you have an when I think it should be a.

September 17, 2008 1:18 pm
Audra D. on whole page :

I really enjoyed reading your paper. I think you need to just read it over to check for a few typos. And I think edublogs maybe messed up your organization a bit, it seemed to me that your paragraphs were really long. But besides that I loved how you incorporated outside sources to back up your argument and I really thought it was well written. Good Job!

- Audra D.

September 17, 2008 1:44 pm
Rachel Hillmer on paragraph 2:

Very good opening paragraph. I agree that Socratic seminars are a great way to discuss an issue and engage everyone. I like how you start out with the specific example of socratic seminars to show your focus on the importance of individuality and free thought. Helps to establish your views and establish voice.

September 17, 2008 7:51 pm
Rachel Hillmer on whole page :

This is a great paper. I think that you chose an interesting topic in writing about the importance of the socratic seminar and what it can potentially add to the classroom. Although I struggled to speak up in these discussions, I was always engaged and enjoyed the atmosphere of the socratic and felt that I often learned the most when participating in one.

I also really liked how you used suppport from other academics and individuals that we didn’t look at in class, but that you thought supported your arguement.

Perhaps I missed something in your paper, but one thing I felt I wanted more of is how the socratic helped your own writing and has the potential to help other student’s. Maybe you intentionally left that aspect out, but I thought bringing that aspect in would add even more to an already great paper.

I hope these comments helped and I think this is a really outstanding start to your paper.

Rachel Hillmer

September 17, 2008 8:05 pm
Brianna on whole page :

Eric,

Your thoughts on the Socratic process were very interesting.
You say, “When a voice is dim, Socratic discussion raises it.” That’s a great line.
Can you relate that idea to “voice” in composition?
Where do these teaching methods enter into the debate over academic discourse?
Even if you decide not to involve the work of Elbow, Bartholomae, and Bizzell, try to identify how these methods directly relate to writing.

-Brianna

September 18, 2008 10:30 am
Kayla :

Eric,
This is a great paper! A few people have spoken about the fact that you did not include any evidence from the articles we have been studying in class, but I do not believe that is necessarily a bad thing.

I think the assignment was specifically to join the conversation about academic discourse, and I think you absolutely did. You decided to explore a topic that wasn’t much explored by the scholars we studied, and you did a great job supporting it with outside evidence and personal experiences. go you!

That being said, you cannot be a part of a conversation by speaking about a seemingly unrelated topic. It seems that way only because you do not talk about the scholars or their arguments, but it absolutely IS related. You just need to tie it into their arguments of academic discourse, possibly by saying that it is a valid method for initiation into the discourse community. It also might help if you threw in some key terms as used by the scholars we have studied.

otherwise, great thoughts and great paper!
Kayla

September 18, 2008 12:58 pm
dra08 on whole page :

test post

September 18, 2008 11:20 am
historymajor255 on paragraph 2:

I think that your punctuation and parenthetical tangents make this paragraph difficult to read, especially if your reader isn’t familiar to your topic this paragraph is confusing, butI like your ideas.
~Katie M.

September 18, 2008 11:23 am
historymajor255 on paragraph 3:

Because of the format I’m going to comment here, I wouldn’t use the abbreviation POV n your paper, spell it out. Other than that great job.
~Katie M.

September 18, 2008 11:38 am
historymajor255 on whole page :

Great job, I really like your thoughts and the way you express yourself. You obviously worked really hard on this paper and it shows. The biggest sggestion I have is to work on your punctuation, It can be a bit jumbled in spots.
Thanks
~Katie M.

September 18, 2008 11:40 am
Kayla on paragraph 2:

I agree with Brianna in that the line “when a voice is dim, Socratic discrussion raises it” is a powerful statement and can easily be used as a link to initiation into academic discourse.

September 18, 2008 1:03 pm
stan4562 on whole page :

Really amazing paper!! I agree with just about everything that you had to say, so much that I am a bit unsure as to what to suggest to change?!?!

September 18, 2008 1:37 pm
Caitlin on paragraph 2:

Eric,
I agree that Socratic discussion helps others discuss ideas or concerns. I like that you discuss how shy people can be brought into this style, because not everyone feels comfortable speaking in the classroom. I like your topic and appreciate that this is a unique point of view from any other paper I have read thus far.
Thanks!
Caitlin

September 18, 2008 2:13 pm
Jacqueline Van Hazel on whole page :

I loved your topic about Socratic Seminars, and I like how your paper was formed from one of your own individual ideals, rather than the same readings that everyone else focused on (Bartholomae, Elbow). You’re writing flows nicely, and I felt like I could pinpoint your thesis too.. but one thing, sometimes in the nice flow of your paper there will be a sentence that feels a little broken up to me. Granted some of those are just some grammar errors, but also I feel like maybe you could have found a better choice of words with the thesaurus. But again, I love your paper, it was one of my favorite ones to read.

Sincerely,
Jacqueline

September 18, 2008 2:16 pm
prat9517 on whole page :

I really like your ideas in this paper, but it felt really jumbled to me. I would look at your paper sentence by sentence, and put similar ideas together. You have a lot of important things to say but it is masked by the lack of organization.
Also, I would trim down the quotes a little, it messed with your paper’s mojo.

September 18, 2008 2:25 pm
Audra V. on whole page :

I really liked your paper especially the fact that you referenced outside sources, but maybe you should have atleast one in class source in your paper. Other than that I really enjoyed it. Good points

September 18, 2008 3:32 pm
nono8 on paragraph 2:

The last sentence in your introduction is rather long and a bit confusing. You might want to condsider breaking it down especially after the dash. The phrase after the dash sounds like an independent clause.

September 18, 2008 6:18 pm
nono8 on paragraph 2:

Also, when you were describing Mr. Hernandez as “middle aged,” you might want to hyphenate that.

September 18, 2008 6:26 pm
nono8 on whole page :

Eric,
You did a nice job of crafting your argument. It was very easy to read except the last sentence in the introduction. I liked your use of varied grammar techniques especially with the parenthesis. Nice work! Thank you for sharing your ideas.

Noel

September 18, 2008 6:40 pm
Kara on whole page :

Eric,
First, it was refreshing to read your paper, because it was not about what the rest of us wrote about. Thank you for that.
I thought you expressed yourself well, but your paper was a little bit unorganized. It has awesome ideas and examples, but could be rearranged a little.
Thanks!
-Kara Jay

September 18, 2008 6:46 pm
David N. on whole page :

I really liked your paper. It was technical, but still read with a certain… attitude that allowed for your voice to come through and not read like a textbook. Also, your idea of Socratic seminars were like a breath of fresh air compared to what we have been reading.

September 18, 2008 10:03 pm
bballd2123 on whole page :

Hi Eric!
I really like your writing style, you’re very comfortable with your voice and you stick to your point. I think you could use more quotes though.
Maria

September 18, 2008 11:16 pm
mbirely on whole page :

Eric,
You have a great and very unique idea for you paper. This was fun to read becuase it was an option we had not disscused yet. Perhaps you could bring in another personal story, or more specifically how this method will or has helped your writing. Maybe even how this method would help a classroom of writing. You present your ideas very well, maybe just connect them to the reader a little more. What a great start! Thanks for sharing with us!
-Meagan Birely

September 18, 2008 11:25 pm
Sarah Shinners on whole page :

good idea, this is something new and different we haven’t heard before. it would be nice if you could say something about how this overcomes the objections raised by Bartholomae, Elbow, or Bizzell.

September 19, 2008 7:57 am
Katie B. on paragraph 2:

Eric-
Just a side note check your MLA format for quotes….I cant remember if thats the right format or not… :)

September 19, 2008 12:14 pm
Katie B. on whole page :

Eric-
Your paper is very interesting, I liked how you took a very different view on some topics that we as a class dicussed. One thing that I noticed is that some of your paper is not MLA format (just double check it). Also I would like to see you use the scholars that we read about and their ideas. Most of the class did something on what the many scholars said or commented on how they teach. Try to add that to your paper!
Thx,
Katie B.

September 19, 2008 12:26 pm
Steve on whole page :

You have good organization in your paper and your voice is strong.

I find the word ‘would’ to be an interesting word. When used it gives the feel of a politician winning the people over. The feel of something that you want to do, but normally won’t be able to do it. I don’t think that this matches your voice. I don’t think this paper is suppose to be a ‘if only I could’ or a ‘Vote for me for better classrooms.’ Consider changing all to would to stronger words that match your purpose and voice.

September 22, 2008 6:57 am
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